thank you kindly u.u Hmmm, to explain the process of creating things like Gold Cloud species...!

I would say I work from a springboard of dissecting individual evolutionary traits, rather than a particular species... and I think about adaptations in oddball scenarios, environments, or starting points. For a real-life example, pterosaurs are what happens when lizards evolutionarily attempt to fulfill the coveted flying vertebrate niche... compare how they achieve this, VS how birds and bats achieve this... what did they use to get that outcome, what part of the body did they exploit into flighted-ness? How efficient did it have to be to get there? And how do all of these flying vertebrates converge, what do they have in common? How do they achieve something like, becoming lightweight enough... and how else could we get there?

I'll start at something like, "I would like to see what would happen if a mustelid managed to evolve into a tall, leaf-eating animal like a giraffe, specialized in tallness/reach". Fun, fun fun. But then we have that animal, we could say, "ok, what if it got that far, became so long, but then this factor in its environment changed crucially. How would they evolve again to solve that? How can this body be contorted to suit a new condition?" eventually, you could be 20 layers deep in this, creating both the ancient condition for a species, and then it's aquatic offshoot, and its megafauna offshoot, and its bizarre island offshoot, and its domesticated offshoot, etc.

If you're worldbuilding, it is super inspiring to set certain rules for the entire world; like, for Gold Cloud, digestion being very easy & very few materials 'difficult' to digest, so few animals need something like a 'stomach' or 'intestines' for internal composting (a condition we see in some animals on earth, but from what I understand only a few fish ?! agastric) ... this influences virtually all base body types & centers of gravity, even for Large animals. A lot of our Earth animals are Huge to make room for a big big gut or many chambers of stomach. This can't be true of Gold Cloud. Now this I would say is also fueled by Lust. I love Earth, but I'm not attracted to every aspect of biology... but what if I was lol? What if I didn't have to think about Poop ever, what would need to be true about the body to allow no disgust to ever enter my mind? Gold Cloud also doesn't have 'smell' like Earth does, it doesn't function the same way. There is a different system of sense/communication animals and plants use. So I'm also always designing for that. Why? Because I'm really overstimulated by a lot of smells, and the sinus is kind of an agony in many ways even passively existing in the head, even though I love a lot of scents, I would gladly do away with it if I could invent something else ... I want to dream of a different system entirely. So suddenly, that means nothing can have a 'nose' in the same way many Earth animals do.

Another element where worldbuilding begets design-sense is, obviously 'camouflage' depends on the appearance of the environment. I think a lot of what is well-camouflaged on Gold Cloud, would be poison dark frog levels aposematism on our Earth. But Gold Cloud has different color, vegetation, textures and density to foliage in its nature. So the animals reflect that, and look right at home in their environment. I like to think of Pokemon for this example... if I imagine a Tangela in an environment, I would think, OK, so there must be tangles of blue vines in this forest, for Tangela to not stand out, I'd want to design that. If a Cherrim is going to exist, I'll imagine fruit of similar size and shape in their glade. If Pikachu is going to inhabit this field, I'll want to imagine some other aspect of the environment as large and yellow, for them to be hidden amongst. But this logic works in both directions... if I wanted to imagine a beautiful environment filled with large, 2-foot wide yellow flowers and bright purple bushes, I would then have to ask, what would live here?

Sometimes you invent a beautiful environment, and then a beautiful animal to inhabit it... or vise versa... if one is proving too difficult, it may be fun to try to inverse... and to also think of pleasure, what you want to experience, in excess. What sensation do you want to dream of being steeped in, what creatures should exemplify that? What would you cut off, if you could, what part of the body? Do you like having a stomach, a heart, do you like having bones? Maybe you don't. What if you didn't have them? What would you prefer to have?

Many creatures on Gold Cloud, penetration in sex goes all the way through the chest, the cavity of the pussy extends so farrrrr, cock and heart adjacent. Because I want and like this. So anatomy must work with this at times. So they look like weird aliens, so they can have crazy sex like I want to imagine in my head, and the sensations of it. Gyah...

It's a form of problem-solving to me!

If we stack a bunch of obligatory conditions on top of one another, eventually we'll get something that doesn't quite resemble any Earth animal, just by nature... though some may convergent look so much like an Earth animal, and I find this funny/cute/interesting too, so I don't fight it.

I hope that made sense....

I've never been asked to draw them before...! But the recent update brought in a lot of better and also more original designs ?! Browsing the bestiary, some felt like they really stood on their own, not trying to be a bepsi. Looking through the Palumba's biome for a commission was neat... I liked a couple of the guys in there and had to resist putting more and more in the piece haha (for my sanity). Celaray being one I resisted stuffing in the BG, probably one of my favorite pals (: I like the Lux form.

Elphidran is cute.... fat fat.... Kelpsea (: Surfent quite handsome.... Clovee suuper cute and feels so original! And I feel the most furrypealing ones like Chillet and Vixy are nice too, nothing wrong with their designs.... sure (:

Some Are ugly but well what can we do... Pokemon is the outbreak monkey in the first place, a lot of modern Pokemon are cluttered and distastefully designed, and then every copycat takes more from them than it does from earlier gens. When something like Tinkaton is hugely popular, I can't expect derivative/inspired titles to not represent that demographic. Much less people love Tauros ... </3

Aw sure. I like there to be a maximum contrast between human & monster anatomy... foreign bodies to one another, different in every way. The sort of thing to create maximum dissonance and dysmorphia in a cross-species adoption case.

It's canon in Undertale at least, that monsters don't 'digest' food in the manner humans do... 'monster' food is entirely absorbed into their bodies, they do not turn it into mush and expel it as humans do. Though, it is implied they could willfully ? experiment with this ? via consuming Human Food ?! So. There must be Something down there, though it may not be as defined or complicated as human anatomy.

For deltarune... it can only be said that as Kris is repeatedly flushing the toilet, Toriel awkwardly explains "uhm, Kris does this sometimes..." ... is there even a 'bathroom' at school ... ? Is it necessary there be one...? Do monsters in a monsters-only community typically have such a thing...? Not all buildings may have this.... though the Holiday house does, but it is a mansion owned by the mayor, and could be an accommodation she made... [shrugs] a lot is up in the air.

I would like Human Bodies to be... bizarre, perhaps grotesque or macabre things, filled with blood, throbbing and pulsing and dripping and leaking and shooting out fluids from every orifice... biology as it is, put in a context to feel absurd. As Kris ages, I would like this to feel excruciating, like they are stinking and sliming all over. This body, that refuses to let itself be ignored, be unknown. Oh the demanding quality of a boner, accusatory in its action. I WANT I WANT I WANT!!! It's like a built-in gun that cocks at its own will. PLEASE do not threaten my life, my friend's lives. PLEASE I DON'T WANT TO SHOOT ANYONE EVER!!!

.... for my own purposes, I have no need to imagine monsters with a binary sexual physiology ? If no blood flowing through veins, why have a boner? Why penetrative sex? I don't believe there would be SPERM and SEMEN and EGG and OVARY ... not so physical!! I have. NO need for Asgore, Berdly, or Asriel to have a cock. I DON'T!!! Jockington.... Rudy......... it is in fact Funny to me if Toriel and Asgore are not very different when undressed. In reality the two have different numbers of fingers, even... it's interesting to think there could be this near-infinite bounty of silhouette contrast (a watercooler is as much a monster as a bunnygirl), but little distinguishing them beneath the surface. Just a dry flow of magic & dust... the external aesthetic does not define so much.

Berdly is out there daydreaming about so much as having nipplies.... is this because he is a 'bird', or is this because he is a monster ??? Spamton mentions... a mamel's milk... we have only the most obtuse ssstupiddddd data about this... obviously monsters can have Boobs.... we see Boobs. and I like boobs. So there can be boobs. Not 100% of the population, though.... Woshua doesn't have nipples.... probably....

So for Asriel/Ralsei and Noelle, I like to envision a very similar 'slit' between there legs... an exit that human food may pass through if ingested, but not actually a urethra/anus (and materials are not being composted/fermented in gut). Not seeing daily use like human anatomy, which is always churning perpetually to stay alive (and thus, more hardy, more holding them together, but short lived). An indistinguishable little slit... Asriel and Noelle's both pink-hued, obscured by white fur.... interesting to think of how different body types could result in more differences in shape than something like 'gender' ? There could be Some motivating factor towards same-species couples being the Norm, maybe an ease of producing offspring, but in the sense that even if you and your refrigerator boyfriend both had compatible bodies in one sense, it could be an ordeal to actually align your bodies safely.... [shrugs] or maybe something about the silhouettes has to be close enough, who knows....!

Novel to me to imagine monster breeding being a matter of pressing, crushing, kissing slits together, lying on one another, pressure and contact which initiates a transfer of magic ? more ritualistic or symbolic in some way... not stabbing penetration and blasting hot fluid into, like humans do.

When I imagine Kris penetrating Asriel or Noelle... [closes eyes] I imagine it feels like... being stabbed, firstly... an intrusion into the body, and, as if it will reach completely inside, into their chest, which is not protected by muscle, bone... there is no 'container' to hold the cock like a human vagina, no sleeve mere inches deep... the body could be bent and crushed so as to reach deeper, deeper... shooting inside could feel like, it's filling the body cavity itself.... stab, stab, stab, stab, it's excessive, pounding, violent, one has to be a masochist to want this, and luckily, BOTH of these individuals ARE. Their bodies are not built to endure this, which makes it feel more perverse for Kris to intrude this upon them. It will feel selfish to want this. And crude...

I also like to think a lot about hotdogging through, shallowly rubbing, mild pressure, a lot of this kind of, grinding... easier ! still embarrassing for Kris, but closer to something a monster body accommodates...!

Uhmmm. My other thing is that, human bodies attempt to incorporate whatever is put inside of them, absorb things, but monster bodies do not have this, and human materials contrast their own dust bodies. So I think if you came, or pissed, inside of the slit, it would inevitably seep back out, it would not be soaked inside, no matter HOW deeply you shot.... uhhh intoxicating for me to think about.... we can't begin to think about pissing down oniichan's throat... it's ruinous stuff.....

But Kris. I do like cockkkkk anatomy, it just feels appropriately humiliating to me~~ but I also love to imagine gynecomastia onset at puberty... it's not uncommon in many populations of humans... small boobs, not hefty but, buds.... it'd be nice to have something to feel more neutral and [shrug] about.... ! Not erm, a 'problem' like the cock is, they don't be leaking... it's fine. Not a problem. Oniichan could find it soo cute. Noelle I think would be like.... THE WHAT ? BOOBS ? WHEN DID KRIS GET THOSE ?!?!? ... [struggles]

as for Noelle and Azzy, the door is open to imagine some sort of chest so why not....! small breasts on Noelle... I imagine Azzy flat by nature, and nipples are generally not obvious unless one is brushing aside fur to find them. I wonder if interaction could encourage growth or something.... I wouldn't say I Need it, I enjoy oniichan flat chest of the group, but also not opposed to little budding Azzy.

More novel and interesting than many other theories, it's entertaining to see.

As for my personal beliefs... I don't presently place stock in it. Core influences towards my own Knight theories are:

• "Black Knife" sounds suspiciously similar to "Burn in Despair!" from Undertale. As do some attacks from the Knight resemble God of Hyperdeath's attacks. "Burning Eyes" honorable mention as food for thought, with "ERAM"'s name being "MARE" backwards, and "Your Best Nightmare" being another Asriel track.

-we know "dark worlds" created by different individuals produce different outcomes seemingly based on the perception/psychology of the person creating them, as Susie's fucked up iteration of the Sanctuary exposes. However, all other Dark worlds-- whether created by Kris, the Knight, or someone else-- are all identical and compatible. It is my personal belief that Asriel and Kris share the experience of making Dark Worlds, and that their cohesive, compatible, carefully crafted visions produce virtually indistinguishable Dark Worlds; their united childhood, their video game programming, their passions, their memories... essentially such harmonious minds, there is no disharmony in their Dark Worlds. The Promise In Our Hearts....
we know Kris made Some Dark Worlds, but yet there are others that were made while they were occupied (at Noelle's house). So someone else (on the phone...) takes care of it. I believe that is Asriel. SOMEONE also physically kidnaps Undyne into the Shelter. This is stupid I admit, not all my thoughts are clever. But it's interesting how fuckin fast that shadow is and that Asriel has medals in Cross Country lol. Uhm maybe he's fast.

-I believe if Noelle made a Dark World, it would differ significantly, like Susie's had. It would be colored by her private and unique feelings.

-When Tenna discusses his deal with the Knight, he doesn't make any difference between the Knight and Kris, in MANTLE.

-The Knight is an oddly fuzzy being, glitching in and out, unstable, turning into a little cats-eye marble... I wonder if this in and of itself is a clue, if this is not a 'complete' being, but a sort of illusion or construct, something held together with gum and paperclips and string. I could see Kris and Asriel sharing the illusion of the Knight, a role they both exchange, took turns playing. Or perhaps took turns programming as their video game's Final Boss!

-The Knight's head is described as a helmet; the horns need not be literally someone's horns.

-this entire game takes place in the 7 days before Asriel is scheduled to return home "from college". Sounds to me like we are building up to the final event, Asriel's Arrival. Asriel. I think people forget this aspect in almost every single discussion of DELTARUNE and it drives me insane. The entire format of the game is the numbered days before "Asriel's return home". I have to factor this into SOMEthing...

-The voice buried in the code of the game, trapped in darkness, appears to me to be Dess... someone who expresses having not been grateful enough for their life, the simplicity of it... and we know Dess was troubled, fussy, aggro. So I don't believe Dess is the Knight. Though the Knight could be influenced in some way by Asriel & Kris's memories of Dess, as a mutual friend they are both grieving.

The only thing here that relates to Asriel for me, I can't make sense of, but... I'll type it anyway!! That voice trapped deep in the Darkness, describes a door SLAMMING behind them, shutting them in. Ralsei slams closed a Dark world Door in a manner most suspicious and loaded to me, in ch 1. He turns to the audience to do so. Weird emphasis. What does it mean.

To me that hidden text also implies that there is a 'real' Darkness, beneath the reality, beneath everything, but that the present Dark Worlds are not that; they are crudely built on top of it, like a halloween haunted house built on top of a graveyard. They do not reach that Real darkness... but maybe they are, trying to? The voice describes something clawing...
(it could always be that something Kris & Asriel messed with ACCIDENTALLY had the consequence of shutting Dess away... or they could even not know the Magic Asriel tapped into would result in this ?)

So, a lot of those points, for me, don't point to Noelle. My prevailing theory is Asriel/Kris 'are' the 'Knight'. The 'Knight' is a role, not an individual.

So... that's my data. My overall theory for Deltarune is that: Asriel "went off to college", and would talk to Kris every night extensively online, to the point Kris was falling asleep in class (Alphys describes this explicitly!). Godknows if Asriel had some kind of psychotic episode in college, but I think him and Kris devised a Plan (much like Chara & Asriel did in Undertale, but perhaps this time, it is not Chara's plan, but Asriel's ???? idk) and an exact sequence to execute together, The Promise in Our Hearts. This plan required Kris's SOUL and BODY to be split-- the GONERMAKER sequence being Asriel affirming the efficacy of their set-up, testing Kris's SOUL's lack of coherent memories, asking it benign questions like favorite color, flavor, name (Asriel would know the answers Kris would make were all their memories intact. he is also stupid and these are stupid questions a toddler would ask another toddler).

The SOUL is blinded, but the BODY is capable of careful coordinated effort, communicating with the phone individual. So let's imagine that effort is also placed into trading off the illusion of this enemy, The Knight. It's not important it be a real person, it's only important it be an Enemy for everyone to be united to Destroy lol. This plan seems to be rehabilitating Susie, getting Asgore to recognize his own faults, guiding Noelle to a girlfriend... all things Kris & Asriel could want for everyone around them. Improving their lives, at the cost of .... ? Who knows.... but Chara sought to kill themselves in order to free all monsters from the Underground. I don't think the Knight's ultimate goal is 'bad', but it could have heinous consequences in its own way, much like Chara's plan had.

SO uhm. I just don't think Noelle is that intertwined with the very construct of these Dark Worlds, or the execution of this sequence leading to Asriel's Return To Town. She is important in another role of the story, like Susie. Though I'm open to the idea there is some kind of fucked up recursive timeline stuff happening or unknowable magic nobody can predict, even Asriel and Kris. Hubris hubris. The horns on the Knight resembling the Holiday family, could be a charming affect of Asriel and Kris admiring their horns as being cool as kids... or it could be that this was a character Dess drew/played once upon a time, now repurposed by Kris & Asriel (who knows, maybe in an ATTEMPT to draw her back from where she's hidden deep in Darkness, through an effigy of her memories in Asriel and Kris's minds...). Which is modestly Sick & Twisted. Like wearing a costume of your dead friend to evoke their spirit from purgatory.

I don't have big interest in it...! Whether I see a sibling bond as suspicious or straightforwardly platonic is distinct to me. You have Asriel & Chara/Kris who seemingly cannot FUNCTION without the other and lose all will to live and come up with deranged schemes in order to maintain or regain connection. Or you have individuals like Sunny going insane and repressing into a fantasy dreamworld where the ghost of your sister you have trapped inside you will always have a picnic ready for you. I like intense dependency, evidence of the inability to 'move on', complete and utter mental breakdowns.

I suppose Noelle's sadness towards her sister's disappearance is not to suspicious degrees to me; a comprehensible amount of grief & then of course, the listless unrest that comes from having no closure, not quite knowing if she 'left', 'disappeared', or 'died'. This suspends her in a purgatory. There's no answers, nothing to 'accept'. She's not gone Insane from it. She is Coping. She is certainly damaged from it... she thinks about 'disappearing' too. It's not small. But it's not yandere, do you know what I'm saying....?

I don't personally see it as a loaded relationship on its own, or inevitably coming to a head. In proper sibling incest, you either inevitably MUST have sex, or you kill yourselves/each other/the world/trap you both in purgatory. Chara/Asriel, Amane/Tsukasa....

There's also an odd element where it seems as if Dess wanted to encourage Noelle & Kris to be involved ... ? The ferris wheel ride somehow 'forced', and Dess hanging up a picture of it ... ? Combine this with Noelle suggesting she suspects Kris was always just 'going along with what she [Noelle] wanted"... so I don't believe either had possessiveness of the other. Dess seemed to have been again, a normal amount of protective and loving. Not quite as dependent as we hear Kris & Asriel having been.

Now I DO think there is Weirdness when you discuss the entire Holiday & Dreemurr dynamic, maybe a childish concept of symmetrical futures and a combined family ? And possibly a messy, muddled mix of feelings scattered amongst the square of participants, which I would call STRANGE and ABNORMAL. I could see them as always planning to live together, in that childish way. I doubt Dess would have ever wanted to leave her sister behind, being so protective.

I also think boundaries between Legitimately Close siblings are interesting and titillating. I could see Dess showing Noelle Slasher flicks that contain sexually explicit or suggestive scenes, sneaking these around their parents, odd nights sitting side by side watching a girl in a flick get a knife flickered between her skinny legs. Watching MTV, Springbreak, Girls Gone Wild commercials. Ambiently horny around one another, sitting in silence some nights staring at a screen. But does this manifest in sexual tension between THEM? There is a kid with a knife who chases Noelle around, and I suspect Dess & Kris had a dynamic of their own. I don't really perceive a desire to molest each other! Though it is desire forming in proximity to one another.

Now there's some layer to discuss in Susie resembling Dess in some way, but I think seeing this as 1:1 with an incest vibe is not quite right... I think there's comfort and familiarity there, but it is important that it is a different person, everything that distinguishes Susie as Susie. I also think Noelle feels that same sort of thing about Kris, the parallel family rascal who caused problems, like Dess was. I think this is why Carol is fond of Kris, missing that energy.

My current impression of Dess is that she was... defensive, guarded, postured brash confidence but was troubled, insecure, secretly sad, only a Facade of Coolness, and perhaps couldn't always express earnest appreciation without shame or embarrassment (I take the text hidden in the game's code to be her). In the same way Kris's silly rascally-ness may have masked their sincere adoration of their friends. And so, friends like Noelle doubt Kris ever even liked them.

When I think about... anything with Dess... with anyone... it is an uphill battle. I'm not sure even she knew what she wanted, before she was plunged into darkness... and I'm not sure anyone knew the 'real' Dess (and who had the closest picture...? Noelle, or Kris, or Asriel...?). Whatever I vaguely imagine with her... I imagine it hidden in obfuscation, games, nonsense, jokes, bullying...

I like to think of weird shared experiences with someone like Kris or Asriel... like uh, Dess wanting to push Kris towards Noelle (who likes Kris), but also repressing vibing with Kris & what goes unsaid between them, or in denial of Kris having a crush on her (my crazy interpretation of the weird 'Kris bringing burgers to the oneesans' story... ). I don't really think. Noelle would be possessive of Kris in this kind of scenario glfgj;dfkl;gfjlfdl;kh like Kris is Everyone's weird pet dog, aren't they? I would like situations where like, Noelle & Dess are both essentially doing pupplay with Kris between them, Completely Platonic And Normal Of Course, Nobody Is Horny Here. Everyone letting eachother 'get away with' something.... indulgent, weird... Kris getting to bark and chew on ankles, Dess getting to scold and clip a leash, Noelle getting to pet and reward with treats. The air could be THICK with STINK!!!!!!!!!! And everyone could be Allowing this to transpire. Is this incest. BIIIG questions. And I think about. The Popular Party Game Snugglebug. Which would be WEIRD to play with 2 sets of siblings, but maybe everyone is just sort of OK with that blurriness, in order to get away with something.

Sometimes I think a sibling being there creates a smokescreen of "of course it's Normal right now, my Sister/Brother is here and THEY wouldn't be going along with this if it wasn't Normal". A thought like, "I'm a total freak here getting flustered by this stupid game, OBVIOUSLY everyone else in the room is just Playing Around!! It's just ME, it HAS to be because DESS/ASRIEL would not LET it keep going if it wasn't ........................ normal..........................."

anyway. I have my own tastes don't I.

AHAH I do tend to see such face value discussions. If you're interested in my thoughts on it all, then, sure...! I feel everything Does have significance in one way or another.

JEVIL - The playful rowdy boku-pronoun silly-willy who used to tussle with the diligent, loyal, capable Court Mage. This sounds to me like a pair of OCs Kris & Asriel used to enjoy playing together as kids. After all, Asriel is said to have favored a purple mage girl in smash (Seam uses 'atashi' ?! which has multiple interpretations...). Seam is a very, very old plush, seemingly older than the other Darkners, which would track with them having been Asriel's old toy, and thus feeling very Ancient to Kris (who is younger!). Jevil is giving major Little Brother energy, to me.

JEVIL is a troublesome rascal who draws well-behaved Seam into shenanigans, but who Seam does not hate or resent for this. Seam is nostalgic for how Jevil made things interesting, and their games. Feels a kind of regret for missed opportunities. Would Now like to see chaos flourish, before they dilapidate.

I would see this dynamic overall as representing the well-behaved Asriel constantly towing the line, doing as parents ask, getting good grades, engaging in extracurriculars, attending choir, while Kris is the rascal who does as they so please. I'm sure if Asriel could go back... they would see towing that line was pointless. What has it lead to? Forced to abandon Kris off to college, to suffer alone and lonely, to toil in normiedom. Why not blow it all up? Why not ruin it all?

Kris had been out there inserting swears into Christmas Carols, sleeping through class, terrorizing the girl next door... such a Jevil.

All of DELTARUNE feels as this to me. Asriel wanting to see the structured world he helped maintain for so many years, finally burn. The Court be struck down, the rulers dethroned, our Purpose ignored & displaced. What did Jevil know all along, that Seam did not? Was Jevil really the fool, or was Seam the fool, following imaginary rules and restrictions? What more is possible for us, outside of these strictures? Seam is excited to see something 'new', finally. I think Asriel is, too.

SPAMTON NEO - Asriel & Kris canonically once attempted to create a video game, with Kris studying video game music (seen in Queen's prison) & Asriel contributing God knows what. We know the CD inserted into SPAMTON to turn him into NEO was some sort of failed attempt at a rainbow-winged 'final boss' Asriel & Kris had attempted to implement into their own game. We also know Kris & Asriel collaborated on an 'angel' doll that was never completed, as they spent too much time attempting to decorate it with giant rainbow wings.

We also know Kris & Asriel collaborated on artworks depicting their worlds using MS paint (Swatch represents this icon) (their computer background is an image they collaborated on & signed).
So in every inherent way, this boss may portent what Asriel & Kris see as Final Boss Material, AT LEAST AT ONE POINT IN TIME!! Perhaps a more youthful, crude vision of a game boss?
Obviously this NEO isn't quite the Final Vision as intended, but may be nostalgic.

As for Spamton himself. I'm insane and think he is a character Asriel utilized to break rules and engage in an underhanded, hidden way. We know Noelle received e-mails from Spamton as a child (I cannot stress this enough, He Is Not Real And Does Not Exist), and was given files that would corrupt & modify her CATPETTERZ/petz game (based on P.F. Magic's Petz series from the 90s, which has/had a VERY active mod community I engaged with a lot as a kid!). We already know Kris & Asriel were attempting to make games, and had such abilities. So obviously, one or both of them were fucking with Noelle. More on ROMhacking later with ERAM, but obviously Kris & Azzy engaged in ROMhacking.

It is possible Kris & Asriel both 'played' spamton... but idk... he's Giving Asriel to me. The insults, mockery, resentment, but also weird compliments, evoke Flowey to me.

His favorite year is 1997, which I would charitably like to think of as When Kris Came Into the Household (maybe Asriel's birth year was like, 1992 or something, giving them a 5 year ageegap). This is my own conjecture. Spamton mentions Kris being in a dumpster. Was Kris a dumpster baby lol? Did Asriel discover Kris and bring them home, much like Asriel found Chara in UNDERTALE?

If I follow my own insane logic with Azzy playing Spamton, we would see a depiction of an underhanded, seedy guy who selfishly wants to take over & degrade everything, as kind of what Asriel Feels Like he becomes when he Tries to misbehave. What it FEELS like to secretly infect the girl next door's computer.

Its also worthy of note that Spamton would ATTEMPT to infect Queen's palace in the past, but her firewall/adblock/spam protection prevented this; Dess never opened Spamton's obviously fake bullshit e-mails, as she was not as naive as Noelle, who would simply download them directly into her game lol. The only way Spamton can infect The Laptop (which Dess used) is if Kris themselves HAND DELIVERS Spamton access INTO the palace. To me this implies Asriel using Kris as a tool to reach places he is too afraid to. Because Kris is willing to be nefarious lol...

I guess I'd say Spamton's fight Gets to Kris more than any other, because it doesn't respresent their Own feelings (like Jevil or Pink do), but Asriel's, which are more upsetting to engage with... because Kris loves Asriel, and may worry about what they are doing to their brother.

ERAM - MANTLE is obviously Kris & Asriel's ROMhack of Catpetterz RPG. Some assets have been entirely replaced according to their own fixations (the SHELTER fully rendered in), while others are completely unchanged from Noelle's description of the original game (the ICE PALACE). It is incomplete & abandoned. I would assume this ROMhack was an early endeavor in video game programming... perhaps made some time before the NEO final boss programming attempt? Or after...? Well, we don't know...

TENNA ironically ROMhacks their ROMhack to make HIS video game. Because I think Tenna was a character of Kris's, this makes sense to me.

ERAM. Looks like Asriel. Am I insane? This feels obvious. There is also fire magic & the kind of loving, obsessive dialogue about Kris's true heart & desires, as we recall from Flowey in UNDERTALE. It is a kind of loving masochist stoking the fires of their sadist's urges. Watering Their Own Thorns, one might say (:

Like SPAMTON, I think ERAM unsettles Kris Because it does not Evoke their own voice, but Asriel's. Thrilling, possibly nostalgic (if this is an old project of theirs), alluring, exciting, terrifying. Asriel has a kind of... intoxicating madness to him... I would describe ERAM's dialogue as seductive, PERSONALLY. Knows what you really want, knows what stimulates you, deep down. Knows this nonsense is not what you Really Want. Knows you can't share this with anyone else. Knows what you're hiding. Of course this dialogue makes Kris sweat, makes their eyes flicker with burning desire...

Oh yeah! And the game console is obviously under Asriel's bed, with Asriel's controller (with janky pink & yellow buttons, likely a bootleg replacement for buttons that broke from overuse, which would come in all sorts of garish colors, back in the day...).

GERSON - Alphys is a new hire at the school (and new to this town overall), and Alvin's dialogue implies Gerson passed away fairly recently. Gerson likely used to teach Asriel at the school. I believe Kris & Asriel both create Darkworlds, and Asriel's reflects his memories of Gerson.

Not much more to say beyond that, other than, Gerson makes me think about transformative works & derivative fiction ... he is effectively a scholar of the bible, who eventually wrote Bible Fanfiction. That Bible Fanficiton later was again iterated on in the form of games suchas CATPETTERZ RPG, which are then further drawn apart from their source by Kris & Asriel modifying it with a ROMhack, MANTLE.

We don't have to accept what was written before us, we can rewrite it. We can impose our wishes on this world & contort it to our desires.

I wonder what conversations Gerson may have had with Asriel. Asriel was also an active participant in church, so... possibly a lot of exposure there. I wonder how that may have influenced Asriel's fiction itself.

PINK - So starkly this represents Kris's struggles between BODY & SOUL. Conflicting desires, wrestling... subject to urges beyond your control, urges which may influence your actions, may betray your intentions, may contradict, may consume you.

As these are a representation of Kris's struggle, ""Ralsei"" is the one compelled to offer comfort & advice, wishes for Pink to seek parity with self, to not divide in hatred, or shame. Accept the body's requests, as it must be nurtured... it is your body. If you fight it too harshly, you may lose what the body offers to you. You may fall apart. It isn't sustainable, this warring...

Compare this to SPAMTON, who Asriel offers no comfort & wishes to distract Kris from, write him off as just some wayward program, nothing important. IIII Think it makes sense for Asriel to downplay representations of his own suffering, but take Kris's seriously.

I do not PERSONALLY think the BODY & SOUL are different people. I think both are Kris. And represent Kris's own impulses, desires, some more earnestly than others. I do not think "the player" "the vessel" is anything distinct, I also Literally don't know where people even got this idea from UNDERTALE, as both Chara & Frisk have their own capabilities & omit a player from control respectively. We cannot create new dialogue options, or new endings... we, as the player, are subject to only what Kris's mind comes up with, gives us to work with. I Do Not See people making this argument about Link or Mario, so I don't know why it exists at all for Toby's games.

and finally. I will just say. I think Another Him refers to Asriel (who is referred to as this ominously in UT's soundtrack), and I think the voice speaking to you as you create 'the Vessel', is Asriel. And he's testing some mechanism, and Kris's memories. If Kris is properly amnesia'd by whatever they have chosen to endeavor together. By asking crude baby questions suchas Kris's favorite flavor and color, and name, Asriel can douse if the magic is Working as intended, or if something is wrong. I think the tone it speaks in is again that kind of oddly seductive tone we hear in various representations of Asriel in UT & DR. I believe, at the moment, that Asriel wishes to know what it is Kris really wants, thinks.... is your favorite color even what I know it to be? And perhaps the reverse is true, depending on what Ralsei 'is', what Asriel has Done to make him exist. I'm insane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So perhaps bare all of that in mind when reading my personal present interpretations on the game & bosses. Thank you [falls down the stairs]

This interpretation actually comes from the Undertale Alarm Clock dialogue, with lines like "he... was my Rudolph. I ... was his santa." though it is corroborated by Rudy calling out Asgore as a fruit in Deltarune lol. That dialogue in the Alarm Clock already had everyone go "OH?" so, in this case, I don't actually think it's an overreach! It is also Funny. I don't feel this interpretation is exclusive To fandom goggles, I see Normal Gamer Guys find it funny.
When any dialogue occurs, I think, "why was this placed here?"
It is present enough in Toby Fox's mind to occur across the scant interactions we have of these characters, so it feels worthy of note. I Think Toby loves this kind of sticky morass, especially with Asgore of all people who is wishy-washy in his decisionmaking. It enhances the dynamics for me, even if I'm not "interested in it" beyond the intrigue and how it adds to the perspective on relationships in a small town. The last thing I would want to see is 2 dads doing anything. But I respect.... ball....

It will depend entirely on what winds up being canon! Will I enjoy their history, dynamic, and her aesthetic? It remains to be seen. Based on the stories we have so far, I'm tickled by her and very intrigued. I think the image the fandom has of her VS my own idea of her in my head, are vastly different [shrug] I like my image of her in my head so far, but I don't like the fandom's at all. Who shall prevail...

That said it's important to bare in mind my central OTP is and always will be Kris/Asriel. Even if I explore something like Kris/Noelle or Asriel/Noelle, Kris/Asriel is, in my mind, somehow the backbone and centrally prominent, even if not depicted in the individual image, it is 'true' and somehow cornerstone to the events between others even transpiring. So what could that mean for a dynamic with Dess ??? remains to be seen... in this way it is important not only how Kris and Dess may have gotten along, but also Asriel, with all of them.

At the moment I have idears for depictions of all 4 of them shenaniganizing... hopefully someday those images will come to pass, if canon does not render my present concepts void.