Anonymous Coward · 15d

thank you for writing the gg essay, i used to feel ashamed for 2-3 years and spent too much time looking up discourse/ethics papers. my fandom was a first kpop group for ppl during covid which probably contributed to it becoming antirpf. ive been interested in how shame cultures intersect with rpf (and other parts of society) since then

Yeah shame plays such an interesting part in it. Because a lot of people will say dismissive things like “I guess the lack of gg fics is the same reason there’s a lack of yuri, femslash, and general sapphic media” but some of the reasons for the lack of femslash is like “there’s not enough female characters in TV shows to even be shipped together” which is obviously not true for k pop and then for yuri/yaoi people are like “yaoi is for straight women and yuri is for straight men” and this has also been far from my experience in k pop spaces. Like all the boy group stans are dating each other (in ship spaces specifically), lesbians ship winrina, stan loona and dream catcher, and gg stans that are straight men just want the idols they like to themselves. Nothing really seems to add up. So a lot of the reasons tend to be about misogyny, the way people treat female idols, homophobia (internal and external), lack of community, and RPS shame. And with RPS shame it’s already an incredibly small fandom (especially when divided into specific girl group fandoms) and small fandoms are hit much harder with anti rpf sentiment. And to add onto it people feel guilty for sexualizing female idols. Either as an interesting rpf double standard, internalized shame about queerness, or just feeling allowed to sexualize men in fandom spaces and not women. Sorry this is a bit rambly I hope it makes sense.

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