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thanks for your writeup on vbswl2!! i will be direct and say unfortunately yeah the things u like about vbs are just kind of the things that don't resonate with me very much. i've read all of the vbs stories etc but i've found it hard to connect with them (except for lutf, genuinely one of the most beautiful stories in the entire game). i will also say that regarding all of this i am only VERY LOOSELY familiar with the jp only stuff, i'm a global player & tend to prefer waiting for the official translations before reading the full stories. i think a lot of it is just that i struggle with suspension of my own personal disbelief on some of their stuff. i do like kohane quite a bit though and find her the most interesting out of the four of them; i LOVE the idea of someone whose life was basically nothing until she found her passion, and i also love the ways we see her (and toya!!) wrestle with "is this my passion or is this someone else's passion that i'm just acting out?" that said i do think that your point about akito kind of charging ahead on his own does make sense; to me it was kind of just "yeah ok guess we're doing america now."
regarding my comment on akian as wl2 partners: i think i was a bit brief and might have not represented my point super well. the appeal of it to me would have been the fact that i think they WOULDN'T be good partners; instead of having that almost magical connection of their actual partnerships, i think it would be interesting to explore the idea of them having a really just kind of shit partnership. like to emphasize the ideas that partners aren't really replaceable and having the same desires and goals isn't enough yknow? a recurring theme in all of the wl2s is that things may not be terrible, but they're always worse than reality (overall), and i think that would have been a very concise way to represent that. accordingly, i don't think you'd have to give up on kohane and toya's writing either; the point would be that all four of them are missing something they can't quite define & are brought back together by it (in a way similar to the actual wl2). you might even go for like the idea of wl2 dealing with akian mutually deciding it's better to split and go do their own things... idk probably something like that, i admittedly have not rewritten all of vbswl2 in my head LOL.
re: chapter length, i think vbswl1 is about the perfect length for the story. like all of wl1 i found it to be a bit belabored in some spots (wl repetition etc). however i also didn't really like wxs wl1 or wl2... i just think that vbs and wxs are the greatest victims of like. world links are inherently kind of shallow and repetitive because they have to spread their focus really broadly and reiterate their conceit a lot. some of it is that they required the most exposition (i really think wxs wl2 has... so much exposition... and it needs like a third of it) of all the wl2s, but i also just think vbs and wxs unfortunately are the least self-explanatory & get kind of bogged down in having to explain themselves. the other three unit wl2s just have more digestible concepts which means that they can get directly into the plot (especially mmj, that shit is STREAMLINED) & can spend more time on the characters themselves.
as for the discussion of the non-aibou relationships: i'm perfectly happy with vbs to be aibou-focused, but my actual issue is that i feel like vbs has underdeveloped the reason why these two partnerships CHOOSE to keep working together as one group. i know a lot of this is probably bc the other units have been divorcemaxxing but i have kind of felt like the america arc in particular would benefit a lot from this type of analysis; removed from the context of vivid street, why are partners still so prominent? if the answer is just "because the story wants to focus on partners" that's fine, but i feel like it could have been such a good chance to evaluate both the nature of the partner dynamic and the reason for vbs to be vbs instead of vivids and bad dogs. i've talked elsewhere about wishing that vbs america arc would focus more on what makes vivid street so special (ie what they bring to the international stage) & how vivid street influences vbs as a unit as they grow beyond it. i also think that this would necessarily require some degree of engagement with the concept of partners but also with the ways that vbs subvert that by having two partnerships together instead of being two separate partnerships. i guess this is all to say that, to borrow your analogy, i'm less curious about kanamizu individually and more curious about what makes kanamafu and mizuena continue to work together.
ok sorry that was a lot of words from someone who doesn't really like vbs that much but i am known for my verbosity o7 thanks again for the analysis!!
yeah got it i mean. i’ll approach the rest of this on an even keel for what it’s worth but i’ll admit it is very very frustrating to discuss vbs with someone who self-admittedly doesn’t like them. and also that i didn’t mention anything that wasn’t in global lol it’s all pretty established stuff. i also understand that vbs requires a level of suspension of disbelief people aren’t often willing to grant it and that’s fine. it’s just not a story for you and that’s totally okay. so if i sound aggressive or frustrated then it’s mostly because i get pretty sad talking about the flaws of my favorite unit with someone who doesn’t like them, and the wider trend of people not really caring about vbs/their characters/their story and not even reading their events but complaining about them anyway. my apologies there.
okay for starters i do think you’re again missing my point maybe. yes it would’ve been interesting theoretically if they’d partnered up because it would’ve gone poorly but they wouldn’t have done that. they would have to discard key, established aspects of their character to make that decision in the first place, regardless of how much it’d make good commentary on their actual relationships, the importance of their partners, etc. like i don’t know how to emphasize enough that given what we know about them, it would be deeply out of character for them to choose to become partners at that point in time. there is no in-character justification for them to do so and i am not willing to compromise on that interpretation just because it’d be “more interesting.” i’m very hardline on this.
if you don’t mind me going line by line here i’ll keep explaining why i don’t see the necessity of it. “having the same dreams and goals isn’t enough” this is a point i established, though? that they already know. if they believed this, the akito/an partnership would’ve happened earlier. but they don’t, so it didn’t. i don’t really think it’s something worth rehashing.
“things may not be terrible but they’re always worse than reality” -> i agree and what i personally enjoy about vbs wl2 is that it is objectively a bad end for them. if they did not reunite on vivid street because of miku’s interference then bad dogs would have permanently separated, and maybe vivids would have gotten back together but ultimately struggled without support and advice that aided their sub arc. that’s really fun to me. to that end: it is already understood that world is worse than their current one. an has nightmares about losing kohane afterward and clings to her in the hotel room. touya similarly is disturbed by the dream and says it reminds him to hold on tight to what he cares about, and cherish the present moment. these are post-event mysekai lines so it’s a little buried. akito’s side story has him think back on how appreciative he is of touya’s constant presence at his side, which reflects on how insistent he was on going at his dream alone in wl2 and reinforces the idea that it was a bad end.
“the point would be all four of them are missing something they can’t quite define” is a sentiment i feel is expressed plenty well in touya’s chapter especially, but kohane and an’s too. i’m leaving akito out because he intentionally obfuscates his emotional state, but he does have this constant feeling of “something is wrong, something’s not right, but i have to keep going anyway.” so actually no yeah they all apply in my view. i also feel like the current wl2 ending was far too convenient (as a flaw of the medium necessitating they had to get back together somehow) and if they just handwaved akian being partners and touya/kohane just Feeling like they had to come back then i’d find that even more distasteful. like i truly don’t mean to be rude i’m just not really convinced what you’re bringing to the table is any sufficiently better than what currently exists.
i do agree the length is sort of an issue and that i didn’t necessarily mind vbs wl1’s length because it manages to get its point across. it’s my issue with wl3 where the first few are messy and not great and wl3.5 is the perfected formula. i don’t really have much to add here ‘cuz it’s like yeah i do wish they were better about some exposition points and also some weird logistical stuff (i do think the way akitouya meet back up is bullshit. i don’t know where they’re getting that flight money from. but also it’s a nightmare world and i don’t really care.) so like. yea…
on the aibou relationships i agree somewhat as well. i think their story up through ORS is perfectly fine; the reason for being together as a group of four is “to surpass RAD WEEKEND” and that objective is met. i didn’t really mention any of my thoughts on the matter because i consider wl2 a separate story on a different world line lol but if we shift tracks to canon then like, yeah, i do wish “the reason for still being together” was more of a question leading up to aim higher and such. this is a common complaint in the jp fandom as well, but not necessarily “the continued existence of partners,” rather “the continued existence of vivid bad squad as a unit,” specifically because they have already completed their initial goal. “taking over the world” is much more vague as a goal, and they’ve been slowly working toward clarifying it. but most vbs fans are waiting for this to blow up in their face somehow. so. i can get behind that much.
the partners as far as i’m concerned are pretty hard locked as a relationship and always will be, lowkey because Yeah that’s just how partners are. because on the same token of that question, what reason do the partners have to separate? they’re more than best friends, the closest people in each other’s lives, soulmates in all but name. (getting insane) the real question i agree is with the unit. and also just adding that vbs aren’t necessarily subverting it, because RADDER was a set of partners + nagi. though interestingly america arc hasn’t really addressed the specific quirk of vbs being partners, perhaps because the concept doesn’t really exist in the same way? but colopale is probably signaling it does matter via embers and illys being two sets of gender-split twins.
in general what i feel like you’re looking for in vbs i found already in the ankoha sub-arc, with akito and touya both giving an advice based on their different approaches to their own relationship, and the struggles they had. akian and antouya’s dynamics here built up both akitouya and ankoha’s relationships, helped reaffirm their bonds to each other, and shows precisely why the two-partner pair setup works for them; because of akitouya’s years of experience, they’re able to help the fledgling ankoha sort out their troubles. and um (glancing at the camera) hopefully it goes the other way around sometime.
anyway. that was a lot of words from someone who loves vbs very much. ultimately i think i am willing to give vbs a lot more grace and will engage with the story it presents in comparison. i’m not really someone who would complain and wish it was written completely differently, but rather works with the new information and tries to interpret it in the existing framework. so i’ve got a lot of rationalizations for things non-vbs fans might not see worth in figuring out. and i’m also severely aiboubrained so i don’t question their bond. the word itself is very, very heavy and not something you use lightly, so if they’ve already established that bond then i’ll simply believe that they’d stay together through anything.
bwehhh. i do appreciate you taking the time to chat with me though. it’s nice giving my brain a workout because i too love to talk long. the wl2 matter may have to be an agree to disagree thing though sorry bjgkdjfkggj
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